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Ep. 33 Dating With Multiple Sclerosis: Swipe Right...Then Explain MS

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Some people treat “I have MS” like breaking news about their own life and that tells you everything you need to know. We sit down with Laura Carriello, holistic health coach and founder of Evotion Reset, to talk about dating with multiple sclerosis and why chronic illness doesn’t make you “harder to love,” it makes your standards clearer and your boundaries louder.

We discuss dating questions people avoid: When do you disclose a chronic illness? What happens when you share too early? Laura explains why trust comes before disclosure, what supportive partners actually do, and the mindset shift from “pick me” to “I’m the chooser.” You’ll also hear her best tool for staying hopeful, plus the non-negotiables that protect your peace.

Key Topics 

  • Living with MS for 25 years and thriving

  • When and how to disclose a chronic illness in dating

  • Building confidence and boundaries after diagnosis

  • Strategies for healthy communication and trust in relationships


About Laura

Laura Cariello, M.Ed., CHHC, is a certified holistic health coach and founder of Evocean RESET™, a transformational method helping women with autoimmune conditions regulate their nervous systems and reclaim their energy.

Diagnosed with multiple sclerosis at 21, Laura has spent over two decades navigating ambition, identity, and dating with a chronic illness. She speaks candidly about disclosure, confidence, attraction, and the emotional resilience required to date from self-worth instead of fear.

She challenges the quiet narrative that women with chronic illness should feel “lucky” to be chosen. A diagnosis is not a warning label — and the right partner won’t need convincing.

Through her work, Laura helps women stop shrinking because of their condition and start showing up fully in health, in business, and in love.

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Dating With MS And Big Myths

SPEAKER_01

Welcome back to Mom Is My Emergency Contact. I am Lisa, your host. Here on Mom Is My Emergency Contact, we talk about dating chips and the absolute confusion that is men. Q in the close-up. Because let's be honest, dating is already a lot. But today we're talking about dating when you're living with a chronic illness, specifically MS. And here's what I already know. Some men can barely handle texting back. So the idea of them handling something real, like an actual life situation, yeah, we're gonna talk about it. But this episode is not about limitations. It's about breaking every stereotype you think you know. Because I'm sitting down with a woman who's not just living with MS, she's thriving, dating, and honestly, probably handling life way better than half the people out here with zero excuses. We're getting into the real questions like when do you tell someone? How do people react? And why do some men act like they've just been personally diagnosed when you tell them? And most importantly, we're busting the idea that you have to be perfect to be loved because newsflash, nobody is. So if you've ever felt like something about your life makes you harder to love, or if you've ever dated someone who just didn't have the emotional capacity of an adult, this episode is for you. Let's get into it.

Laura’s MS Journey And Resilience

SPEAKER_01

So today's guest is Laura Carriello. She is a holistic health coach and founder of Evotion Reset, helping women with chronic illness reclaim their energy, confidence, and power, especially in love. Welcome, Laura.

SPEAKER_00

Welcome. Hi.

SPEAKER_01

It's I know. So Laura and I were just kind of chit-chatting before we started. And man, so this is Laura and I's third like interview type situation. First time was in 2020. Then we did one for like, I think it was the month of MS Awareness. And then here we are talking about dating with a chronic illness. And I don't think Laura also doesn't realize this, is that we got kind of connected through the whole Spartan thing. Do you remember that? Yes, I remember. Yeah. And then she was those Spartan days. Yes. And then she just reminded me that when we were all on TikTok during COVID, because we were all on TikTok during COVID, we were, I mean, there's a lot of us. And there was some type of trend where we were giving out uh each other crowns, like a crown, like a physical crown. Somebody gave me a crown, and then I bought crown for Laura, and somebody else, Laura just told me she still has the crown. This is so crazy. That's insane. So, Laura, I started doing the Mom is My Emergency Contact podcast, and you reached out and you're like, hey, how about dating with a chronic illness? And I'm like, holy shit, yes, we are so gonna talk about that because I can only imagine what your experiences have been. And I'm sure other people are listening and wondering the same thing because it's hard. It's like, you know, it's hard enough dating, and then it's like you got this thing that should I tell him? And then a fear of rejection and fear of like, you know, oh, I'm not good enough. So Laura's gonna set us straight today. But before we go into that, just give us a little bit of your journey. Because if you guys really want to hear her entire journey, because it is insane and so, so motivating and inspiring, you got to go to the Ella Go podcast and listen to her first episode with me. But Laura, tell the listeners a little bit about your journey with MS.

SPEAKER_00

Absolutely. I was diagnosed 25 years ago, and I have seen and lived through it all. If there's anything you can imagine with MS, and it's such a unique disease. Um, I've experienced a lot of it. I went from barely walking to a Spartan to a triathlete. I was doing CrossFit for a very long time. And if anyone is familiar with MS, it's unique to each individual person, but it also has an ebb and flow. You know, we have flare-ups and we're on these high highs, and then we have these low lows, and the disease just has the say, right? We can manage it within a container, and that's what I do in my business, devotion. I find a balance between Western medicine and then holistic practices to keep that container and a stable body. But at the end of the day, there's no cure for this disease. So I went from, you know, barely walking to a triathlete to having a flare-up and going on disability, and you name it, it's it is an adventure. It's a roller coaster. Today I am doing really well. I have backed off the CrossFit for a while. My body, I have to listen to my body, and my body was telling me that that impact, that that going hard every single day, six days a week, I needed rest. And I'm a very active person. I do more gentle workouts. I have a calmer life. I really started to understand how we work with our nervous system. And what I realized, Lisa, is that like all those Spartans, all that CrossFit, I was in fight or flight for a very long time. And, you know, but regulating that has been a game changer.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah. I, you know, I knew that. Like I knew that, you know, going hard every day is not don't tell that to a CrossFit person, but it just isn't.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah. It's you're you're going 90 miles an hour headed for brick wall, and when you hit it, it it sucks. Uh nothing against that. It's great. I love it. I loved it. I will always love it. My body was screaming for balance.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah.

Finding Balance After Going Hard

SPEAKER_01

So let's talk about the business. So the name, because I asked her how do you pronounce that? Um, evotion. Where first of all, where did it come from? Evotion reset. Where did it come from? And the last time we spoke, you weren't talking about this. So how did this come about?

SPEAKER_00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01

Third, what does it look like to work with you?

SPEAKER_00

So perfect. Uh so it's evotion. Reset is the program. Oh, oh, okay. So so it's evotion, and my niece's name is Eva, and then I'm very connected to the ocean. I love the flow, the water, the currents, the ebbs and flows. And, you know, I really feel the balance in the ocean. It to me, I'm drawn to it. It helps with my nervous system regulation. So I combined Eva and the ocean, and I got Evocean. And I help women who are struggling with fatigue and brain fog and feel like they're just surviving each day. And it's our it's our right to feel joy. And that's so hard with a chronic illness because it's unknown, right? You're you become detached from your body. And what I strive to do through my reset program is bring joy back into your life through holistic practices. I'm working with Western medicine, like I take medication, and it has helped me greatly. But there's a lot of symptoms I'm able to really keep out of my world because I have these holistic practices. The what I do through the reset program is I have, and since we last spoke, I got certified in this stuff. So, so you know, I through what I learned through the Institute for Integrative Nutrition, what I learned through these, the, you know, my education is that we have to nourish our body and we nourish it through primary and secondary foods. Secondary foods are the foods that are on our plate. Primary foods are our career, our relationships. How are we cooking at home? How are we handling stress? Are we organized? Do we meal prep? And those are our primary foods that nourish our body. So when you break down these 13 things in a five-week program, then you gain some of that calm back. You're not just living to survive the day, you're creating structure and you're trusting yourself and you're trusting your body, and you're resetting your nervous system, and you're saying, I'm safe.

Evotion Reset And Nervous System Calm

SPEAKER_01

Oh, I like that. Yes, and speaking of safe, we're gonna talk about love.

SPEAKER_00

Oh, yeah, because uh no, seriously, and it's funny because it's nobody dating is hard enough, and you know, I hear about dating, I never hear about dating with chronic conditions or chronic illness or MS specifically, because that's my world. And I just feel so sad because it's it's such a cool conversation. Dating is hard, right? And when we can flip the script, and when we when I say to women, I was like, Because you have MS and you go in and work on yourself, you will automatically become a relationship expert. Like you are the perfect person for a relationship. You need radical honesty, you have to ask for what you need, you understand boundaries, you show up differently based on the day. These are all things you have to deal with as MS. And when you can manage a chronic illness, you can manage a man.

SPEAKER_01

Yes, girl, that yes, my God. No, and I promise this is not a male hating episode. No, anyway. No, um, but seriously, Laura, let me ask you this because this is something I never asked you when you talked about your diagnosis. And we got really deep into the whole, like the whole journey. But you know, what what did you think about dating after you were diagnosed? I mean, were you dating someone at the time? Um, and if not, like, did you think, shit, how the fuck am I gonna find somebody?

SPEAKER_00

Well, when I first was diagnosed, I was a kid. I I was I did not care. I was in my 20s. What do you how did you date in your 20s? That's exactly what I did. So it was like, all right, you know, I may or may not have had a relationship. It wasn't anything, you know. I I think I didn't really have those thoughts until I was in my late 30s. And honestly, when everyone was getting married, having babies, I was trying to fight a serious disease. I I missed like I don't want to say I missed it. I think everything's purposeful, everything's intentional. But I I was I was behind on on that piece, you know, everyone had this trajectory, and I'm like, uh, I'm just over here trying to like see and walk.

SPEAKER_03

Yes, you know, yes, yeah.

SPEAKER_00

So um, so I I can't really speak to an initial diagnosis, but you know, I've had some significant flare-ups and in my later 30s, early forties, and being serious with trying to find a partner, that's when I was like, oh my gosh, you know, are they going to accept me? You know, do I have to warn them? And I was like, uh, wait a second. I accept myself, and I don't have to warn anyone about anything because it's not something that is bad. You know, it it's just an addition to my life. And what I had to do was flip the script and operate from a place of confidence and abundance and lead with what I could do instead of playing the defense on are they gonna like me? Well, if you don't like me, you're not my person, so kick rocks. You know what I mean? Like and look, like I've had I've had some the way I the way I tell men, the way I date, it's all different now. You know, I used to walk into it like pick me, and now I'm the chooser. Do you deserve me?

SPEAKER_01

I like that. And you know, I didn't realize that. That makes a lot of sense. So it's like, you know, you you are diagnosed and you're like, I'm just trying to fucking live, okay? And you know, I ain't fucking thinking about dating and shit and marriage. I just want to fucking live until like a normal person. So it makes sense that when you say you were behind, that your focus was to live. I mean, we're laughing about it, but it's not really funny because that was your focus, right? And um, where other people are like, okay, now I get married, now I date, now I get married, now I have kids. And you're thinking I need to sustain life right now, which makes a lot of sense. So as far as the dating, and I I know that you said that you went through those different scenarios where like, you know, do I warn them? Do I tell them? And I love that you said you do have to come in and lean in your confidence. But how do you go about telling somebody? Because I'm sure there are women listening and they're like, Well, how the fuck do I bring up this conversation? When do I bring it up? Do I say, hi, my name is uh Lisa, and I have, you know, and you know, some people think that. And I think I've been on a date where someone said that. I was like, Yeah, whoa, I okay. Like, can we get to know each other first before you tell me? From your experience, where do you begin? And when do you tell?

SPEAKER_00

That is such a good question. And I wish I had a formula or one straight answer. I can tell you based on experience what I've come up with, and I've done it all. I I think I told my ex on the first date. Um, and I've not told other people at all. Uh what I've come to learn is that you telling someone is based on how you feel where the trust is. If you feel that, you know, I I don't lead with it with that. I learned that when you lead with that, you're almost forming this trauma bond with another person instead of a connection. And I can give you a really good story, actually, where I reserved responding to someone else. So I went on a date. This was, I don't know, a couple weeks ago, and the guy was really nice. And I said, you know, uh, I'm just let's see how it goes, you know, whatever. I we had met online and whatever, like, all right, so we meet up and he was going on. It turns out he was in recovery, and he was maybe about a year into recovery. My uh instinct was to immediately connect with him in his pain, which made me realize when I tell people that about me, they probably want to connect with me with their trauma. And that is not the time nor the place. It is not. So I really do discourage women from being so upfront about it, and it is hard to withhold because it's this all-encompassing thing, I'm sure. But if you try to reserve that conversation until trust is there, it is a little bit smoother.

SPEAKER_01

Damn. And you probably made that realization after a couple of tries, and you're like, this is not, this is toxic. You know?

SPEAKER_00

Why am I finding, why am I keeping these toxic men around? I was bonding with them early on on like fucked up stuff. Because look, I haven't had an easy life. I I love my life, I'm so proud of it now. But if you want to get into the trauma of my life, like, let's go, you know, trauma's not a competition. Like, we're not winning an award here, but I could have a conversation and I stopped doing that. I was like, I am not connecting with people based on their trauma. I am connecting with people based on their ability

When To Disclose Without Trauma Bonding

SPEAKER_00

to hold a conversation, be authentic, have boundaries. And when I develop trust, I could tell them. And, you know, I also went on another date. It was um, this was more recent. And the I didn't tell the guy. We went on a first date. Great guy, great guy. There wasn't a connection for me. I just didn't feel that connection. And I had told him that the one thing I do not believe, I do not believe, and I will not ever ghost someone. If I don't feel a connection after meeting them, I will tell them, I will tell them why. A I owe it to myself because that's how I would want. Do people do that for me? No, but I don't operate in that way. Yeah. So I said to him, I was, I said, I think you're a great guy. I didn't feel a connection there and, you know, what have you. He wrote me back and he was he was so appreciative. He was so nice. And he and he said, you know, I looked you up. I mean, I'm all it's not hard to find me. And he said, um, I have to tell you, my mother had MS, and I think what you're doing is absolutely wonderful. If you ever change your mind, I'm here. If the time is right. And I was just like, thank you.

SPEAKER_01

Hmm. That is amazing. Wow. That's pretty cool. That's so fucking cool. You're going about it the right way because always from the beginning, from the time that I spoke to you, you never made MS like you. your soul identity. Like you are still Laura. You're still a person and you are thriving with this diagnose that you have to live with. You don't have a fucking choice. And I think that makes a difference when you go in and say, hi, my name's Laura. I I have MS and you better accept me because that's that's, you know, that's like a totally different situation with just like, hey, why don't I see if I even fucking like this guy? Yeah.

SPEAKER_00

And chances are that they're trash. Yeah. Yeah. And that that's just the numbers game, honestly. Like I I have met some great men, but I've also met some like it it is the way of the world. There are it is just, you know, whatever. There's great ones and then there's not so great ones. But before I exchange that energy, do I even like you?

SPEAKER_01

Yes. Yes.

Reactions Ghosting And Staying Grounded

SPEAKER_01

Okay. So what about the reaction? So let's get into the nitty gritty of it. Okay. So you know first, how have people responded when you shared it? That's number one. And have you ever had someone not handle it well and what did they do or say? And like, okay, let me just stop with those two. So how have people responded? Give me the the the highs and lows of this.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah the most typical response so it's different. It's a different response when you wait, when you have trust when you feel comfortable having a conversation about something with another person that you're interested in, that you're attracted to. That response is much different than acting out of fear and anxiety and saying this because you feel you have to without grounding yourself, going inside, does it feel right to tell this person? Two completely different responses. I will talk about their response the whole first half of my life before I really got grounded went in and was like does this feel right when I was really in that fight or flight, two things would happen. One, they would connect with me by saying that their aunt, their you know friends, mothers, grandmas, whatever, someone had it they either died, they I can't walk like something awful that happened to this person. And I'm like, okay, you know, like oh I I know that my mom's friend that she works with her daughter, you know, she had MS and she's in a wheelchair or my aunt you know they had MS and they died. Like these are all things that people have said to me. And I just don't give it attention. You know I'm just like okay and I never really like it never bothered me. I'm like they're probably nervous on a date and they don't know what to say because it's a lot of information that they weren't ready to receive. And I gave them that information and I never felt or I never took a moment to even acknowledge if they were ready to receive it. I just gave it to them. So they're probably like my God and you know oh yeah like my aunt had that she died my friend had that they were in a wheelchair like that's just you know so that's one response. The other response I've gotten is like I've just gotten totally ghosted. Yeah and and um I don't let it bother me and it it still happens and that says more about them than me and it's not someone that I would want to spend time with anyway. So I don't I don't get mad about it. I don't you know if you feel that you cannot communicate or you can't have an open honest conversation it'll never work with us because I require that in my life. Yeah a hundred percent just as you know you have to be radically honest with MS. You have to ask for what you need you have to have someone who can communicate and if you're gonna ghost someone or just hear something you don't like and never speak about it like it's not gonna work anyway at all. And that's the problem.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah for sure. And then I'm thinking they ghost everybody Laura they ghost everybody MS or not they ghost everyone I I I'm like people who cannot have an honest conversation when it's warranted.

SPEAKER_00

You know what I mean? Like I get it sometimes it's like you're not gonna continue an exchange on text or you're not gonna whatever and I have my boundaries I have my my I guess preferences and if you're you can my boundaries are there so that I can open a door for you to walk in. And if you walk in like awesome here I am but if you don't want to walk through that door that's cool.

SPEAKER_01

There's like 50 other doors you're gonna find one of them to walk I wanted to say that Laura you are very healthy in your outlook okay so you are given like everyone's listening and they're like wow this woman she's got such a great way to look at this and handle this but there's also the toxic way of handling it. And this and sometimes I hear this of oh they don't they ghost me because I don't I have this illness oh I'm oh they didn't call me back because I have the illness oh they probably can't handle me because I have the illness did you at at any point because I mean we met years ago and you know all you keep doing is progressing up and up and up but were you ever in that mindset because that's a thing I feel that when people are diagnosed or dealing with illnesses automatically any friendship that doesn't work out it's because of their illness. Anything that doesn't work out it's because of their illness and I'm like maybe it's not your illness maybe it's something else.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah well it's true and that's such a good point and yeah I I I was I for a while I'm never gonna find someone who wants to who wants to date someone with MS this this like I wouldn't want to date me and it wasn't an MS thing it was a me thing I had to take radical acceptance and therapy helped me change my life changed my life my my I built my confidence through that and when I built my confidence and I formed boundaries dating became easier and excuses became less yeah and but that that takes look that took a very long time that I I was I think all of 2025 you know I had um an engagement end and I did not date I I said I need to figure this out for me and I took as much time as I felt I needed to walk through all my shit right like I felt all of it I felt the discomfort I felt the hurt I felt the loneliness the sadness and I figured out why I was feeling it and what I realized is that I was putting too much on other people like I control that like those excuses of well no one's gonna date me because I have MS that's a me problem. I have to figure that out for me you know like or now once you figure it out for yourself and once you are solid on your boundaries people who don't respect them that's on them but that confidence through therapy through you know mindfulness practices through coaching that's where that came from and I had to completely shift what I thought about myself and how I operated in the world. Not every day is positive right like it's not it I can sit here and talk to you on this podcast and yeah we're gonna have a good conversation and it's gonna sound wonderful. Not every day of my life is wonderful. Right it's just not and anyone who tells you that it is they're lying I'm so glad that you you shared that because that sometimes does happen.

SPEAKER_01

I mean I've experienced it myself I've had friends who are in that little toxic mindset that it's all about their their illness and I love that you did the whole therapy thing to get you to that place of confidence and having boundaries so now you go through all that and you're building up this confidence and you're like I'm a badass mama I'm a badass bitch and blah blah blah and then you go into the dating world how do you maintain that because just like you said the ghosting and maybe someone saying some fucked up shit yeah how do you how you how are you like Laura I'm a bad how do you do that I swear I swear by this technique and this I think has kept me from you know so much.

The Line Of Men Visualization

SPEAKER_01

So if you can and if you wouldn't mind doing this if you can visualize this so if you visualize yourself and you see yourself at the front of a line and you're at the front and you are facing a whole line of men right and you're in this beautiful garden or beach and you're standing there and you have this whole line of men that are facing you and every single man there is a man you are going to date but you don't know which one is going to be your last first date is it going to be that first guy in line the third guy the 20th guy so as you go through that line you can picture it as every date and every man you meet so now when you open your eyes and you put that into a real world practice you go through that line and you're like that wasn't the one I have the next one that wasn't the one I have the next one and it gives you hope for that next first date because your person is in that line you just have to get to them my God Laura I think I'm gonna go dating again Laura I don't know I'm just kidding Laura no serious wow yeah yeah wow I yeah and you know it really it it helps me with no harm no foul right it also helps me with I was spending too much time on people in line yes so when you create boundaries you can get through that line in an intentional way that is because you're there yeah wow girl that is that is such a great technique and and you sharing that um I mean I'm gonna use that um but it makes sense because it's like you you like you just said it's not my person I'm not gonna spend time on the not my person and then I gotta I just gotta keep going I gotta find that person. Yeah otherwise you get in your head you're like oh my God this is this is impossible there and it becomes so much but now you have a line and you have like intention and you could move through it and you can do it in a very smart informed way that feels right and it's and it's not self-defeating it's inspiring it's exciting sometimes but yeah I I think that um we get sucked into but it but I want it to be him he ain't it okay so much to the next one in line gotta get to the next one they're all waiting for you um okay wow that is such a great tool to use think about it like that one person waiting for you in line is so excited to be on that line oh god all about the mindset see um okay so let's talk about what you think is a supportive partner for you like what does a supportive partner look like to you when you're like yeah this is someone that's supportive someone who leads I'm not I'm not the let's grab coffee

Nonnegotiables For A Supportive Partner

SPEAKER_01

girl I'm not I made reservations girl I had to step out of a lot of masculine energy I was holding I was a planner and you know I would lead and I stepped back from that I will open the door for them to figure it out but I will not figure it out for anybody um you have to be able to communicate it it's just you know my life needs communication um and it's where I feel safe if you can have an open honest conversation with me then I feel safer and that is how I'm able to move forward uh so you know honesty communication leadership and ambition you know and being active I just don't think you're if you're not active or if you don't live a healthy lifestyle I just don't think you're gonna like me yeah I yeah I need to not think oh they're different they don't really do anything no that's not good um and the uh the not a coffee girl I need to stop going to McDonald's just kidding okay so what what are some non-negotiables for you now have a plan yeah if you don't have a plan for yourself if you don't know where you're going how you gonna partner with me how are we gonna walk a path if you're running in loops um something that I always did in the past was dating for potential now I date you for who you are and that's that's a non you know it's no more what if oh this could be great he could be if I say the word could not happen that's a good thing I think anybody can take that as a lesson and every fucking woman could take that as a lesson not he could oh he could no the minute you say that yeah he is yeah okay um do you think people are emotionally equipped to date someone with a chronic illness not everybody not everybody but I I also don't think not everybody is equipped to date properly and that goes for men and women I I it it's on both sides um if you you know if if if you're dating with all of this fighter flight like deep I need this person instead of I want this person yeah um it's a recipe that is not good okay okay um so what's one thing you wish people understood before dating you that is such a good question as far as MS goes um everyone's different because you know me it doesn't mean the next person you know with MS is gonna be the same or the person you once knew is not going to live in the same way as myself everyone is so uniquely different um a lot of the time we have a predisposition of what is known and so we can connect but being open-minded is something that you have to be willing to understand with me because if you just take me at face value and you know your aunt who died or your friend who's in a wheelchair and then you hear I have MS, I'm none of those things.

SPEAKER_00

Right.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah yeah right okay and you may have missed a really good opportunity from a predisposition so what would you say to a woman who's listening who has a chronic illness and he and she's just like you know what dating is just not for me anymore I'm just gonna, you know, it's it's too much I they don't want me I I don't want to deal with it you know the usual what would you say to her?

Taking Breaks From Apps Dating Intentionally

SPEAKER_00

If you feel if you feel like you are not having fun pause pause and think about why this is cumbersome why this is daunting and think about what that experience is for you and then work on it within you and then start again because when you're not having fun when you're not hopeful that energy is felt by men and it it'll just snowball and I know I don't want to go on a date with a man who's bummed out talking about like all this sad stuff or like or on the first date right like or all the bad dates he's had or all these negative things like take a break and get get your vibe back so I would tell her to pause and have fun you know yeah to and then maybe say like I deleted all the apps. I was just like and then I've probably done that five times.

SPEAKER_01

Well, I was gonna ask you, like, where are you now with dating? So you deleted all the apps.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah. Well, I deleted them and then I went back on them. And then I deleted them and then I went back on them. But you know, now I'm more intentional with it, right? Um, I give myself, I'm not, it's just like social media too, you know. I'm not doom scrolling. I get in, I get out, I give myself time, and I have this time where I do that, I can go on an app, and then I'm off of it. I don't, I turn all of my notifications off. I I don't want the notifications on my phone. And I found that that that helps. Um, but I also find people in life in the wild, right? Humans, a human experience.

SPEAKER_01

In in real life. Yeah, in real life. Okay.

Rapid Fire Questions And Closing Truths

SPEAKER_01

Um, I have some rapid fire questions I want to ask you. So don't think too much, okay? Yeah. It's the first thing that comes into your mind, okay? All right, ready? Ready. Okay.

SPEAKER_03

Biggest dating red flag. Wait, start again. Laura.

SPEAKER_01

I know, I know. Biggest dating red flag. Talks about his ex all the time. That's a good one. When a man says I'm a good guy, immediately yes or no. No. Text back right away. Text back right away or wait it out.

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Whatever you feel.

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Okay, one thing men get wrong about dating someone with MS.

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One size fits all.

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Um, what's more attractive? Confidence or consistency? Consistency. Okay. Um, have you ever had a man make your diagnose about him?

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Yes. Yes. Okay. All right. Sorry that my MS is so hard for you. How do you live? How can how can I help you? Come here, broken bird.

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Let me fix.

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Okay.

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All right. Um, what's one sentence you wish every man understood before dating you? I hope you like adventure. Ooh, Laura might get some dates after this. Okay. Laura.

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All right, Laura, where can we find you? You can find me on Instagram. It's EVOcean Living, EVOcean Living. And that's where I pretty much do all my things. Uh, I have a lot of freebies, my program, people who work with me, content. You can find it all there.

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Okay. All right. And all the links will be on the show notes to reach out to Laura if you're interested in getting coached by her or if you want to date her. Okay, so all right. So, what we're not going to do after this episode is act like women need to shrink themselves to make other people comfortable, which Laura did not do, because if someone can't handle your reality, your health, your life, your truth, that's not your issue. That's their limitation. And let's be clear: being with someone who is living with a chronic illness doesn't require perfection. It requires emotional maturity. And unfortunately, not everyone has that. But the right person, they're not intimidated, they're not scared, and they're definitely not making it about themselves. So if you're listening to this and you ever felt like you have to explain yourself, water yourself down, or prepare, prepare someone for who you are, you don't. The right person meets you where you are, not where it's convenient for them. If this episode hits you, share it with someone who needs to hear it. And maybe send it to a man who thinks he's emotionally available. But we're not so sure. Laura, thank you so much for being a part of this. It was so great to talk to you. Um, everything will be on the show notes, like I mentioned. And hopefully, Laura will be okay with doing a live because I think we'll have a lot of fun and you guys will enjoy it. All right. Until next time, everyone. Bye.